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EASTSIDE 2012 NAH Qualifier, June 2-3, Frederick, MD.

ESPI 7
Saturday, June 2, 2012 - Sunday, June 3, 2012
Host club: 
DC Bike Polo
Contact info: 
ransom@dcbikepolo.com
Court size: 
Two full-size rinks (180x80), two built courts (120x60)

DC Bike Polo is proud to announce that the 2012 Eastside NAH Qualifier will be held on June 2-3 at our Polo Camp venue in Frederick, Maryland.

Up to 48 Teams on up to 4 courts. Very low cost camping for upwards of 25 teams, hotel deals near the courts for the balance.

REGISTRATION:

In-region registration starts April 2, out-of-region starts April 9. Sign-up on Hardcourtbikepolo.org and add your teams as soon as you can. $60/team due 1 week after registration.

HOUSING:

Camping is available for approximately 25 teams for $5/person. Email for details.

Hotel deal at this Motel Six near the courts. Tell them DC Bike Polo, confirmation #M201600031. A room for 3 people should be $62.99.

TRAVEL:

Best bet by far will be to drive directly to Frederick. Email for directions. Camp will be open Friday afternoon, June 1, and will close Monday Morning, June 4. From out of town, you can look into Greyhound to Frederick, but the cheaper option will be Chinatown bus to DC on June 1. Either way, email the details and we’ll figure out a pick-up. From DC, We’ll be coordinating Friday night and Saturday morning rides up to Frederick (a little less than an hour).

If you have to fly in, the best option by far is Reagan National (DCA). From DCA you can hop the yellow line metro and be downtown in 15 minutes. Again, plan to arrive Friday June 1, and we’ll coordinate rides to Frederick. We’re also looking at a Friday night alleycat and party in DC for those who want to see the town. If DCA won’t work out for some reason, we’ll have to make special arrangements – email before you book any flights into BWI or IAD.

Location

Hill Street Park, Frederick, Maryland Frederick
United States

Signed up

at least 2 teams from Lancaster will be there. Jackalopes Revenge and TBnamed.

lancasterpolo.com
agile for my size.

Which day are you guys playing?? The 2nd or 3rd? Im going to watch on the 3rd with my friend and dad!!!!
See you there if you play on the 3rd!

Carter

MAN DUDE, 7 years already. Guess time flys when your playing polo.

You make the rules and I'll play the game.

way to step up and make it happen DC!

Hmmm.... looks interesting.

BIG THANKS to Eric and DC for taking the lead and continuing the tradition. Much appreciated.

I hear these courts are sexy. Hmmm.

i must return.

Looking for an RVA twosome in need of a shit chisel...

Portland United
www.eighthinch.com

REGISTRATION:

Get your teams together, the Eastside Qualifier is up on Hardcourtbikepolo.org. In-region registration starts April 2, out-of-region starts April 9. Sign-up on the website and add your teams as soon as you can.

HOUSING:

Camping is available for approximately 25 teams for $5/person. The camping area has some running water and portable toilets, but no showers. We’ll have some grills. Cornhole is a certainty.

We’ve also set up a hotel deal at this Motel Six near the courts. Tell them DC Bike Polo, confirmation #M201600031. A room for 3 people should be $62.99. If you need beauty rest before the Sunday bracket, I guarantee the hotel will be the better option.

If you have multiple teams coming from your city, it might also be a good idea to have at least one team book in the hotel, so you can all sneak in and get a shower at the end of the day. June in the DC/Frederick area is likely to be pretty freaking sweaty. There is also a pool in the neighborhood that will be open. Two years ago Shane got everyone in, and it was definitely not by offering beers to a 17 year-old lifeguard (who declined). This may be another option for campers looking for a shower.

TRAVEL:

Best bet by far will be to drive directly to Frederick. Email for directions. Camp will be open Friday afternoon, June 1, and will close Monday Morning, June 4. From out of town, you can look into Greyhound to Frederick, but the cheaper option will be Chinatown bus to DC on June 1. Either way, email the details and we’ll figure out a pick-up. From DC, We’ll be coordinating Friday night and Saturday morning rides up to Frederick (a little less than an hour).

If you have to fly in, the best option by far is Reagan National (DCA). From DCA you can hop the yellow line metro and be downtown in 15 minutes. Again, plan to arrive Friday June 1, and we’ll coordinate rides to Frederick. We’re also looking at a Friday night alleycat and party in DC for those who want to see the town. If DCA won’t work out for some reason, we’ll have to make special arrangements – email before you book any flights into BWI or IAD.

Lets do this thing.

very much liking this, very much missing it this year, very VERY sad about about that. =/

have SO MUCH FUN eastsides!!!!
<3 you all.

REGISTRATION IS IN 5 DAYS on hardcourtbikepolo.org.

Just a reminder that registration is set for Monday, April 2, at 10:00 pm eastern.

Note: It looks like the countdown clock is actually set for 11:00 pm eastern -- still trying to figure that out.

Im definitely going to this one, driving from Baltimore...who needs a third?

If somebody needs a third, holler at me.

Irrational excitement.

Combination of choice: Smash + Bang

so whats up with this town, I didn't even now Maryland was a state.

140x65

Its 30 miles from DC and two of the DC club members grew up there, (including me). As a result, we have an EXCELLENT relationship with the city parks and rec department, and they're happy to let us use the rinks and the parking lot. So there's that.

What else do you want to know? Flying Dog brewing is based there and there is a really nice historic downtown...

eric, but what is the population of frederick? also, are handguns legal there.
p.s. florida will be bringing 18 teams to this

About 100k. Concealed Carry by permit only in Maryland. See you there.

two big, beautiful side by side courts (plus 1-2 temporary courts) and cheap camping are up!

there's also pretty good mountain biking nearby, if you're into that.

So Baltimore is cheaper to fly in to. How hard is it to get there from there?

anyone who's flying should shoot an email to ransom@dcbikepolo.com, eric will help you work out the details.

we're gonna work out rides from dc for those who need them. there are ways to get from bwi to dc, but unless there's a big price difference flying into dca is going to be much less hassle for you and us.

we know the location isn't the most convenient, but it'll be worth it for the great facilities. we really look forward to having everybody who can make it.

BWI is the worst option. From BWI you can get to DC via a bus that takes you to metro, but it is significantly out of the way to Frederick from Baltimore or from DC. The bigger problem would be getting you to your return flight. DCA is easy, IAD could be worked out. BWI is not good. Email me.

Yeah I am trying to fly southwest so, I guess I will fly into Dulles I will email you when I actually get the tix

Jouche wrote:

I will email you when I actually get the tix

that's cool but in general it's best to email before buying tickets. just to make sure everybody's got a plan to get to fredneck.

Well I would like to know I am actually in the tourny before i get them! lol

makes sense.

are we supposed to pre reg our teams on the hardcourtbikepolo.org ? or will something pop up at 10pm on monday to let us register? HOW DOES THIS WORK????//?

Sign in. Go to the Eastside tournament page. Click "Add your team." Follow the link in the second sentence to create your team in advance. Create new team (triples).

After you create your team, go back to the tournament page, to the "add your team" menu. The team you created should show up there, just below the registration count-down clock.

Javier wrote:

are we supposed to pre reg our teams on the hardcourtbikepolo.org ? or will something pop up at 10pm on monday to let us register? HOW DOES THIS WORK????//?

what are you new?

your mom is new

She's hot though.

____________
The only reason anyone does anything.
For the lulz.

I'm gettin' on this real late! Anyone need a third???

Balls for balls!

Anyone else experiencing time-outs on hardcourtbikepolo.org? I can't get the site to load at all.

Crusher in Chief
www.lancasterpolo.com

I'm having the same issue. I emailed Zach to see what's up.

Bruce from Philly(?) also looking for a team.

What time does Reg open?
:edit: nevermind, saw countdown on hardcourtbikepolo.org

The posted registration time and the countdown are still off. If you look next to your team name, you will see that it says that you are eligible to register at 9pm central, one hour before the countdown ends.

I'm not sure which is determinative, so please be ready to register at 9pm central / 10 eastern.

I'm still following up with Zach on this.

Okay, the countdown timer is fixed. Registration is at 10pm eastern.

made you guys a new flyer, temporarily censored cause ** **** is on his best behavior

I can't wait to rejuvenate myself in the warm effervescent waters of my ellicott city, md hot tub, before retiring to a king sized bed for the evening.

clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

Did BBT cancel? The website says 22 teams on the home page, 19 teams on the tournament page, and BBT isn't listed anymore... ?

Not sure how accurate this is, since I don't know as many eastside teams, but make sure to get all of your teammates to sign up and claim their players and it will make these more accurate.

1. The Means
2. Ice Cream Bukkake!
3. PLAN B
4. Teen Pink Slime
5. Old Time Polo
6. In Memory of Joe F
7. Rolling Blackouts
8. Philthy Baby Phenomenon
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9. Dennis Rodman's Dusty Dangler
10. Captain Hook Dick
11. everlasting dongstompers
12. B B T

don't sleep on BBT bud. they are Disciples of Capriotti

fuck that old whiny owl..! stiff little preppy bitch, combing his hair perfectly between matches.

Portland United
www.eighthinch.com

Anyone need a third or still wanting to make a team? I'm moving to NYC around this time so I'll be in transition. I can always play with my guys from the dirty south, but I thought it might be fun to play with some new faces.

Mark Davis wrote:

Looking for a team for this one. Put me in, coach!

rube wrote:

Im definitely going to this one, driving from Baltimore...who needs a third?

getdan wrote:

If somebody needs a third, holler at me.

kaycie wrote:

I'm gettin' on this real late! Anyone need a third???

eric_dc wrote:

Bruce from Philly(?) also looking for a team.

Shelley_Lucille wrote:

Anyone need a third or still wanting to make a team?

lots of thirds out there!

6/3rds

Combination of choice: Smash + Bang

I know, I'll be in Baltimore anyway...but my teammates not!

dude's here from la isla del encanto. pick him up!

john from dc wrote:

dude's here from la isla del encanto. pick him up!

yeah! im going with my team to SE reg but can't take them to MD with me! I'll be there anyway!

after this whole shitpile southeast debacle if anyone needs a third imma lookin...

talk shit and burn bridges

Registered Teams: Team captains (the person who registered the team) please look out for an email tomorrow that will detail the registration payment terms. It will be paypal, just need another day to set it up.

Out of Region Teams: Registration starts Monday, 10 pm eastern time.

Any in region thirds? Two-thirds of our Houston team missed South Central, and we are wanting to come play with you fine folks.

MAN DUDE, just 20 teams registered so far. I see the same A & B teams from each city. Were are the C&D teams?
What city has the most new people that are going to roll deep for the best weekend of the year for Hardcourt Bike Polo?

You make the rules and I'll play the game.

Out of region hasnt opened up yet!

Seriously, I know we're hosting an all, but we have players on 6 teams, and we could put together another all-dc team of casual players. Where is the rest of Philly, NYC and Boston!?

polo isnt fun anymore

YIP!

they made a rule to fix that

This is one of the best Heckles I've ever seen.

____________
The only reason anyone does anything.
For the lulz.

Since the SE Qualifier is no longer in Asheville (now Florida), I am thinking about bringing
a San Francisco team out for ESPI7. My sister and mom live in DC. So, it seems like a way to
kill 2 birds with one Polo Ball. I'll discuss w/ my team and hopefully register on the 9th...

Lefty Bullshit!

Out of Region registration TONIGHT, 10pm eastern time.

Anyone still need a 3rd?

three thirds make a whole...

talk shit and burn bridges

Im still looking for 2 thirds...

I'm down, let's do this! We actually need a third now. Mike are you in?

talk shit and burn bridges

Okay Shit. Scratch that. Sorry dudes, just got a team together. See everyone in June!

talk shit and burn bridges

can't wait to see your ass jimmy

You will. Probably more than once.

i'm reading that completely literally. ask and you shall receive.

talk shit and burn bridges

Any chance DC can house three to four COMO folks on Wednesday and Thursday night?

Then could you help us get a ride to Frederick for the tourney on Friday and back on Sunday evening?

Our tentative plan is to fly into DC on Wednesday morning, kick in the city Wednesday and Thursday. Get up to Maryland on Friday, play, camp and tourney it up. Return to DC Sunday night and fly back on Monday.

Can ya help some mid-Missouri polo players out? Thanks!

Christian, I already have a place for us to stay in dc and a way to Frederick haha we just need to figure out where we are staying in Frederick. Love you.

321polo.net

Let's camp!

And let's play pickup with DC on Thursday night!

no non-dc teams allowed at pickup, we will be practicing our secret tournament technique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqq-glymrRs

Legalize Hand Throws - 2014

That's a good plan. We can figure out DC housing if you don't already have it, and we'll be putting together a ride system up to Frederick.

Please email me at the address in the tournament info if you want to camp. First-come first served, up to 20-25 teams.

Cool. I'll email you ASAP once we buy our tickets. Sounds like we have housing for the nights in DC though. Would love to ride to Frederick and lower gas prices for everybody, meaning we'll pitch in.

Much Missouri love from a Springfielder here. Show me polo.

Combination of choice: Smash + Bang

i still see tbd for people's 3rd on some teams. someone pick up rube.

Yeahhh im always in a winning mode!

Yeahhh im always in a winning mode!

oh fuck yea. i wanna do this. now i just need a team...
912 547 4776

Someone pick Erica up, unless you want her stonewalling your forwards and making your goalie look stupid! She runs it goal line to goal line

i play forward now too! just saying. i'll try and score as many goals as i block.

look above rube still needs a team. and coming all the way from PR for this.

excited to hang out with so many awesome people at this tournament!!

321polo.net

i'll be there too! glad to see some other midwesterns are making the hike.. you guys gonna camp?

yeah we plan on camping! i think that is where the party is going to be.

321polo.net

Guthrie and I are looking for a third for this , i just regged fur trappers cuz it was easier and i didn't know how to edit a team. Any slayers are welcome to contact me to apply.

JT-RVA

You make the rules and I'll play the game.

Someone pick me up as their third and not only will you get the only bike to do the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs, I have a 4 man tent too.

rube still needs a team as well, get a hold of him.

Me! Looking for a team or two thirds, if you play well I'll make you beat your worst nightmare. Im team natural!

hey ruben... i remember playing with you in Jacksonville... u interested in getting on my team for this thing.... hit me back.... p from philly

oh shit, wrecked again!

Im in! :-)

Grocery Boys!!!

Portland United
www.eighthinch.com

You still looking to put something together?

Ogad.

Portland United
www.eighthinch.com

For anyone interested, there are at least a couple of us that are going to ride the trail back from Frederick MD to Pittsburgh PA, a roughly 315 mile ride on the C&O Tow Path and Great Allegheny Passage. The past two years I rode my touring bike in the opposite direction from Pittsburgh to Frederick for Polo Camp, and must say it's a gem. Beautiful scenery, great campsites, plenty of small towns for food and supplies, and no cars. Photos and a few words about last year's trip here: http://randomprecisionphoto.com/2011/october-2011-gap-co-canal-ride-to-d...

Like I said, this year we're doing it in reverse. Frederick to Pittsburgh, June 4th until anywhere from June 6-8 depending on weather and pace. We have ample housing on the Pittsburgh end for any out of towners, and can help you ship or otherwise box up your bike for the trip home.

Minimum requirements: A capable bike and a way to carry your clothing and sleeping gear. We're pretty stocked with other camp equipment should you need to borrow anything to fill out your kit. Don't let a lack of camp bits hold you back.

I think that is so awesome! I sincerely wish I could go too... but YES!

Lefty Bullshit!

Anybody interested in a teammate or forming a team contact Bruce at 302-588-9187

is my team in?

Won't know for sure until May 2. Right now there are 36 teams registered and 8 teams on the waitlist, for a total of 44 teams. Your team is 4th on the waitlist.

I'm expecting the entire waitlist to get in on May 2. I don't think there could really be many more in-region teams still on the fence about whether or not to come.

this is 48 team tourney?

Correct. Two existing top-notch 180x80 rinks, two 120x64 plywood courts, 48 teams.

!declaring free agency! just made other shit workout, now I can go! pick me up dammit!!!

"wear a face mask or duck" - Tall George
stick 2 da code, stop snitchin'
http://www.scarylarrykbp.org/
http://www.fixcraft.net/
http://321polo.net/

<~~~Use me, I'll be there.

Bike Polo is Our Language,
Good Will is Our Motto,
Friendship is Our Goal.

Play More Bike Polo Together!

45 teams have signed up, so if you're still trying to put together a team, do it now. There are also a lot of TBDs in the registered teams, so figure that out, and while you're at it, fill in all those TBD team names too!

Camping is about half-full, so if your team is planning to camp and hasn't emailed me, email me now and let me know how you're travelling to Frederick, and what nights you want to camp.

I'd like to play in this. who's still looking for a reliable third

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"Thou Shalt put Thy Weed in it"
CH0MB0 3:16

I have been in contact with Charles Berry of Kansas' Scary Larry Bike Polo and we are interested in forming a team. Please contact Bruce at 302-588-9187 if you are interested in joining.

chombo, want to put a team together if there is room?

brucecarverphoto.com

Im still looking for a team if you guys need a third. Well????

Super late to this, anyone need a third?

"No Clue..." is still looking.
Claim your spot before its gone!

Bike Polo is Our Language,
Good Will is Our Motto,
Friendship is Our Goal.

Play More Bike Polo Together!

Reminder: Today is the last day for the hotel deal. If you're planning to stay at the hotel, you should call them now.

Also, there are only camping spots left for about 5 teams. If you want to camp out for the tournament, email me as soon as possible.

i can be a third!!!

"rubber side down boys"

Are there any spots still open? Tyler from RVA wants to form a team of available thirds super late.

I have two available spots on my team.
Get 'em while they're hot!

Bike Polo is Our Language,
Good Will is Our Motto,
Friendship is Our Goal.

Play More Bike Polo Together!

Hey, dude, if you need a teammate I would love to play on your team. Cool?

OK, Megan, You're in!

Get Your Spot, Here!
Step Right Up!
We Got One Spot Left, Over Here!
There Moving Fast!
Get Your Spot, Here!

Bike Polo is Our Language,
Good Will is Our Motto,
Friendship is Our Goal.

Play More Bike Polo Together!

i will check my schedule, cause im not sure if i'm working those days or not...
edit-
ok i can totally make this. can get a flight from little rock to DCA on thursday and just have to be back my monday night. so yeah i'm down.

"rubber side down boys"

Sweet!
Looks like we got three with "No Clue."

Bike Polo is Our Language,
Good Will is Our Motto,
Friendship is Our Goal.

Play More Bike Polo Together!

NIC,HERE IS MEGANS [redacted] she is not around a computer too often so she says please call or text if you need to talk about polo/espi. thanks :) have fun.

p.s hey everyone, wish i was playing. have a great tourney

xoxoxo sarahelizabeth

Ok.
Will do, thanks.

Bike Polo is Our Language,
Good Will is Our Motto,
Friendship is Our Goal.

Play More Bike Polo Together!

Registration is full. Camping is full.

If I haven't already emailed you about camping, you should plan to book a hotel. 25 days and counting....

Courts 3 and 4 have been prefabricated and are ready to go!

Combination of choice: Smash + Bang

Afterwards, we taught Pierre all the lessons on shooting Madison didn't teach him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49tgaGVt8FE

Combination of choice: Smash + Bang

So sad I missed this.

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There are still a very few teams that have not paid -- if you haven't, you're getting your overdue notice right now. If we don't get your payment ASAP, we will be opening up your spots.

Team Bangerang -- I have emailed multiple people on your team and still not heard anything back from anyone (and your hardcourtbikepolo.org emails look, um, fake). You need to email me immediately to get your payment sorted out.

Eric I meant to give you payment at bench minor, so sorry I forgot. If im one of the teams you speak of please let me know

Your team is good, no worries.

First, Bangerang and Polosaurus Wrecks have withdrawn and one team has added, so there is still one spot open!

Second, if anyone knows how to get in touch with Adams Dirks' "TBD" team or the Churchbro$, please let them know that they need to email me ASAP or they will be losing their spots.

Third, team captains look out for an email this week with all the details for the weekend!

Churchbro$ have dropped out, 2 SPACES ARE OPEN!

Register on Hardcourtbikepolo.org and you will go on the waitlist, and then be registered as soon as I can clear out the no-shows.

"TBD - Adam Dirks" has dropped out, THREE SPACES AVAILABLE!!!

Secondary Alex and I are in need of a player. We had a team, but our third will be unable to attend ESPI.

If you're interested shoot me an email (alias@readysetdc.com)

Combination of choice: Smash + Bang

So my team Mucho Take It Easy (Diego, Miguel and I) will be leaving monday at 11:30AM from BWI, anyone in Baltimore or near the airport that we can crash at sunday night? Well be quiet and were pretty friendly

Get rad

Do you guys need transportation from DC up to Frederick and then back to DC or Baltimore? Please email me ASAP if you need rides.

sent

Get rad

We are bringing a special batch of Mitten Polo for you guys, i'm excited to play on the east coast for the first time.

can't wait.

Keep your standards low, and morale high.

Looking to find out if my team is in, we're one of the three on the waitlist. Gotta know soon for work!

Yes - you're in. I sent and email to Andrew Lane as soon as you all signed up. I'll forward it to you.

STILL 2 SPOTS OPEN!

Im last minute thinking about this, though my attending would depend on a team needing a 3rd and my securing a ride.

Let me know: matt.lane.r at gmail

the dark end (aka Bobb Todd, Marzipan, B.R. Fuck Face)

I'm still seeing a suspicious lack of Chombo and Ian-RVA on the rosters...

Chombo is with Greg Valentine and myself.

super-team!

Disregard the above.

Thank you

the dark end (aka Bobb Todd, Marzipan, B.R. Fuck Face)

booyah

lol@polosaurus wrecks, wish I'd thot of that

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"Thou Shalt put Thy Weed in it"
CH0MB0 3:16

oh damn! thats a good one. I still really like chicken titty sandwich though. bahaha.

The Hurt Lockers FTW

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"Thou Shalt put Thy Weed in it"
CH0MB0 3:16

Had a little chat with my wallet.
He says I can come if I can get a team.

You'll see. Unless you drilled out your eyes because they were too heavy.

If your email is listed with podium, you should be getting an email from me right now. Here's the most important part...

    Schedule

Thursday is our normal pick-up night in DC. Brentwood Park/Gallaudet (http://goo.gl/maps/MM7A), 7:00-10:00. Everyone who is in town early should stop by and hang out.

Friday is the first day to arrive at camp. Camp should be open by 4:00 PM. Whether you’re staying at the camp or at the hotel, you should come by camp in the evening. We’ll be grilling out, playing cornhole, and tapping a keg from DC Brau.

Saturday is AM/PM Swiss Rounds, the groups are here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhSm-abGocfwdENGaC1ES0xnRFA...

AM starts at 9:30 AM, PM should start by 2:30 PM. We have 46 teams on 4 courts, so we are planning to do six rounds rather than five, and get everyone an extra Saturday game. Pulling this off will depend entirely on the AM group getting started on time and running efficiently – so the AM group teams need to be at the courts and ready to go by 9:15 at the latest. Running Saturday on time will also depend on the team using Podium to figure out when they need to be ready to play.

1. There is limited power at the courts, so we will not be using a PA, and we don’t plan to use a bullhorn.
2. There will be a computer monitor showing podium at the registration table, and everyone should be using the Podium mobile site on their phones to keep up with when they are playing.
3. Because we have four courts and podium only shows three, you won’t be sure about you court assignment. So when you see that your team is on deck, come to the registration table to get your court assignment.

Saturday night we’ll be doing more of the same – more grilled foods at camp, and another keg, thanks DC Brau!

Sunday the top 12 teams from each Saturday round will play a double-elimination bracket. We’re planning to run all four courts down to 12 teams, so we might be done by mid-afternoon if all goes well.

And no, I didn't forget Philly -- They're out for ESPI.

Looks like there might be some changes -- I'm hearing that PLAN B has also dropped out.

If your team isn't coming, say so NOW, not on Friday.

Thanks much Eric, I promise I wont put any pallets in the fire. Check out the stunning reviews on the motel 6 kinda cracked me up, lock your shit!

https://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&authuser=0&ie=UTF-8&q=Motel+6+F...

one more pallet!

Ha, I hadn't seen those. Wow. Kevin took care of that. I guess If you're worried about it, cancel and book one of the hotels here: http://goo.gl/maps/1Vx1

They will be a little more, but they're newer.

DC Housing and Camping:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhSm-abGocfwdEJXVGY4SG5PUXN...

If yer not on the list, yer outta luck.

Super excited to be on the East Coast playing polo. Houston, TX coming through for the first time to ESPI. I can't wait to meet all the new players. Mucho Take it Easy.

Hey Everybody,

Could you do us a solid and make sure your teams are up to date on hardcourtbikepolo.org? TBD is defnitely playing for too many teams this tournament.

Thanks,
John

If you change your team names on Hardcourt, email me to let me know the old team name and the new team name so that Hardcourt and my AM/PM list stay the same.

Thanks.

where is the podium link to follow?

Just putting the teams in podium now. Should have it soon.

Stealth attack: i would like to stop by and say hello coming back from a wedding in PA. booyah.

fuck yeah tommy! it'd be good to see you.

I hope i can swing by. I really miss playing but I am on hiatus until further notice.

you wont be the first person to play with a neck brace

why?

Portland United
www.eighthinch.com

oh hell yes pm bracket. ill be a sleepy head.

Awful, at best.

Lancaster United is almost ready:

http://lancasterpolo.com/2012/05/30/lancaster-united-goes-espis/

Crusher in Chief
www.lancasterpolo.com

It looks like it might be rainy as all hell at camp tomorrow night, take precautions as necessary. Saturday and Sunday still look like great weather.

I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!

This guy just can't hide it.

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oh btw, its still up there on podium and hardcourtbikepolo.org that my team is Team Adorable with Tucker Suzy and Greg. But are team name is Chicken Titty Sandwich and its me greg and chombo.

On the same note, I'm filling in for Zack MKE on the Fur Trapers(sic?).

Bike Polo Ronin

got it, thanks.

p.s. if anyone else has changes to make, we can just handle them tomorrow morning at the court.

changes made, thanks!

cool thanks dude!

Yep, it looks likes it going to rain in the afternoon for sure. If you're in Frederick and its still raining, you might head into downtown and grab some food or something and wait it out. There are a couple highlights on the polo camp map, here: http://goo.gl/maps/3SeO

will this be streaming? I want to watch the east coast kill it!

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I don't think we have any plans for streaming, but we are going to try to record at least the quarters/semis/finals and upload them later.

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Hey everybody, Jess from Philly and I just lost our 3rd. Is anyone in the area looking to jump on a team?

Please email me at sebring.daniel@gmail.com or give me a call. 434-962-3506.

http://followpodium.at/eastside

also, following @hardcourtpodium will get you a stream of live results as they come in...

FYI, I've moved the live feed to @followpodium

Philly to the eye of the storm: 2HR
See you DUDES soon.

You make the rules and I'll play the game.

Any rainy day plans for tonight?

Its 11:00 now, rain is done, DC BRAU kegs have been tapped for 4 hours. GIT SOME!

The Means over The Beaver Boys for the win.

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Party Boobs 3rd. Sorry podium stopped updating -- we decided to play the last few games at the court furthest from the reg table, so we struck all the computer gear so we could watch!

Heard a rumor a couple bike might be missing. I hope not. if its for real please describe them in DETAIL. Frederick is not that big and there is a decent road bike culture. Someone might see it. I can get the word out.

Two of the dudes from Richmond got bikes stolen, and i hear some wallets too.

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I had my bike (all city dropout) stolen, current set up is nearly identical to the photo posted on this forum, and JT from RVA had his bike stolen. No wallets were taken, and I think Josh's bike is an FBM, but im sketchy on the details.

clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

frame and fork - all city dropout, size large, grey frame, white fork - stickers removed
wheels - surly hubs laced to chuckers, front wheel has red wheel cover
freewheel - white industries 21t
tires - ribmo's
cranks - truvativ stylos, 175mm, bash guard, 32t chainring
pedals - odyssey twisteds
brake - dual u brakes, Paul duplex lever
saddle - selle italia flite
seat post - sakae
headset - stolen 45/45 degree integrated
bars - i forget, 3.5" of rise i think
grips - red ourys

clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

I'll get this to the shops and road clubs first thing in the morning. I'm sorry that happened. Gotta go where the courts are. I know its not a great neighborhood. Again, sorry.

Well, it was still a fun weekend.

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Ha, thanks. If you can post or email me a photo of the bike, the local shops already have the descriptions, but a photo might help. JT Too.

Here's basically what it looks like, and here's a very conspicuous replacement dropout made and installed by Montana for me.

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Most noticeable will be my black and white odyssey pedals and my black SHITSQUAD sticker. You can also see that there is a white RVA BIKE POLO sticker down the right side of the fork.

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So, I know this is kinda random but I was talking to some Spanish guys who lived in the neighborhood Sunday evening and they just texted me about at least one of the bikes: "Word on da street is it was a black boy who lives in lancaster named derrick or andre or something like dat"

Maybe keep an eye out on Lancaster craigslist and contact those polo players to be on the lookout.

I'll let you know if I get more details.

Hmm. "in Lancaster" or maybe "on Lancaster?"

The street across from the street that leads into the park is called Lancaster Place, right near the courts. I was there looking around half the day Monday and half the day yesterday, but didn't get anywhere. Even heard a story about two ditched bikes in a parking lot that I tracked down, but they ended up being a pair of 15" Walmart mountain bikes.

A little more info would be awesome -- I can't get back up there today, but I can take another shot next weekend.

ok yeah he said it's in hillcrest in frederick.

Just emailed you. Let me know. Thanks.

Bittersweet ending to a perfectly good weekend.

Silver Bruiser Frame w/Black fork
Thomson black stem
48h Black Chukkers
Black polo guard

SQUAD UP!

why does it alway happen to the good guys?!?!

That's terrible, I'm so sorry to hear that guys. I'll keep an eye on Frederick and DC craigslist as well.

here are the pics I took:
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Thanks DC! great tournament.

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Good Will is Our Motto,
Friendship is Our Goal.

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That pano is awesome!

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yeah, I was surprised how well it came out..
(except for coach's missing leg) I have no idea what happened there.

Thanks.

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Good Will is Our Motto,
Friendship is Our Goal.

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So can someone from Podium tell me why my team
Philthy Baby Ph. 2nd and 3rd games were
agiainst teams that won B4 playing us that lost are first 2 games
Thought if losers play losers in swiss rounds.

You make the rules and I'll play the game.

Your goal diff was only -1 after your first game. If you want an easier second round, lose harder!

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Hey Marco,

So, I don't speak for Vince or Podium, but I totally agreed with you at the courts and understand your question. It bugged me so I took a look at it tonight. The short answer is that you got a tough couple of early draws.

The long answer:

In the second round, there were five games winner vs. winner and five loser vs. loser and one loser vs. winner. You were it.

To keep courts full, Podium sometimes has to schedule games in a round before the previous one finishes. So it has to use earlier rounds and goal differential to set the next games, the only alternative is to wait for each round to finish before starting the next one.

So basically I'm saying what Nick said that you scored too many goals in the first round.

Vince may confirm or deny these things.

the pairings look appropriate. matching exact records is impossible, and not really needed. the point of Swiss is to match skill level, not record. it uses record and differential to approximate. each successive game should be a better match, the first are often a little off, and that's all part of the design

re scheduling: podium doesn't stage a game unless both teams have played the same number of games, so it's not really "using earlier rounds" any more than it does for every other staging. it will stage a game before the end of the round - to keep courts from being empty when there are a number of games that could be staged. I dont think that was very relevant in this situation though

our(Teen Pink Slime) last game of the afternoon bracket was against Toni and the Hard Ds. At that point we were near the top of the table with a 3-1-1 record and they were still on the bubble with two losses. Losing to us knocked them out for Sunday and put is in the third seed overall. This seemed like a really odd match up..

Thanks to everyone for coming out and killing it. Special thanks to those who pitched in with the courts, goal judging, refereeing. You guys make it fun to play polo.

Eric, you pulled this shit off.

Here's 440 some pictures from the tourney : http://lancasterpolo.com/2012/06/05/447-pictures-espis-seven-sure/

DC Bike Polo: Great tourney, great times.

Mr. Ransom: You can start smiling now.

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Holy shit man, awesome pictures. Your poor server.

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Thanks thanks thanks. I'm not a photographer by any stretch, but I think there are some gems in there.

As for the server: if Lancaster Polo goes down today, we'll all know why!

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It definitely destroyed my slow ass work computer with IE6...

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Final Game 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEbQP7-1PuU

Final Game 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCdOY96QyGM

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First game:

What was up with Kremin grabbing the goal with his hand at 1:35. Was this defined as allowed at the tournament? If so, why is that tight?

Also, this setting-a-moving-pick bullshit is seriously putting me to sleep.

Also, 21:53 really does not look like a goal to me. Who was right there? Any contention over this in the crowd?

Second game:

3:51... holy shit, nice!

Obviously there's tons of good stuff here. Congrats to the means! Someone fill me in on the grabbing the goal thing. Is that something people really want?

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as far as the final games i missed the grabbing of the goal. I'll go back and watch 'em.

this happened to us in a winners bracket game to tie in the closing seconds of the match. the goal tender was obviously leaning on the goal (as in the goal was keeping him from falling on the ground or into the net) and blocked not one but two shots that would of tied the game and forced an OT. The goal judge saw it, the crowd saw it, but i guess the Ref didn't. After the whistle blew we talked to the Ref, and he went and talked to Eric. After they talked it over they said the ruling on the field would stand and the game is over.

this falls under NAH rule 8.4

8.4.

If a "dabbed" player stops a shot from going into the net, at the ref's
discretion, it may be ruled a goal. Example: a defending player in front of the
net loses their balance and dabs. The defending player remains in front of
the net - intentionally or unintentionally - and blocks an incoming shot. If there
is no doubt in the referee's mind that the shot would have resulted in a goal,
the referee can declare a goal. If it is also determined that the defending
player intentionally blocked the net when out of play they will be awarded a
two-minute penalty.

another thing to consider is the nets used, full sized hockey goals with ply wood to lower the cross bar to the right height. so there was a pretty big horizontal surface at the goal tender's shoulder/arm area. This caused two problems in my opinion; shots that hit the ply wood and bounced around then went in were called goals, and goal tenders could lean on this surface easily. If regulation nets were used the shots would of sailed over the net, and the goal tenders would of fell off behind the back of the net. But I understand that that is what the organizers had to use.

I don't think that this should be legal at all, at ladies army when I ref'd I'd call out goal tenders for leaning on the net and they looked at me like I was crazy sometimes. That is definitely a dab, and if that blocked shot(s) has a big impact on the result of a game than the ref should be looking at the play with even more scrutiny.

that is what i saw and my two cents.

Keep your standards low, and morale high.

I don't know when people started thinking that its your job to keep yourself up unless you are playing goal and then you can literally just grab the goal with your hand and play the ball with the other. It looks super lame and I really hope that is not where we are going because that shit is ass backwards.

Refs need to start becoming way more active. If Kremin had not have done that the ball would have almost positively went in. It is not hard to see. It is on the ball action, and needs to be called. COME ON!!!

And I hope Kremin doesn't take this personally. Everyone knows he is a great player and one of the best goaltenders around, but what the fuck? Where are we going? What is that shit?

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Nick, I agree with your input and I like you personally, but I won’t have you degrading the effort of my refs, especially when you weren't here.

Before this tournament started, I had a full ref line up emailed to local players and players who had volunteered via Hardcourtbikepolo.com – two hour shifts per. A lot of those people later REFUSED, or DIDN’T SHOW UP to ref. That’s fine, it is what it is, and we did a far better job than most tournaments, (even other NAH qualifiers) that essentially use the closest players to the court to keep time.

One guy I can clearly call out positively is James Gonyer, who read the assignments, walked up to the reg table when he was assigned and said “hey, I’m supposed to ref now.” Other than that, we did the best we could, and I feel we did an excellent job of it.

The current/old rules, and the proposed rules are also not super clear on leaning on the goal or even momentarily grabbing the goal (because even if that’s an immediate dab, how quickly can the goalie be expected to clear the goal, and when should a ref be obligated to award a goal on a shot that DIDN’T GO IN?).

There is a school of thought that if you are grabbing the goal you are less mobile and therefore less able to make saves, so its not that big a deal. There is also the fact that if you are the goalie and being checked into the goal, is it really your fault that you are held up by the goal mouth, or if you dab you can’t clear the goal mouth instantly? In either case, it is (IMHO) the burden of the offensive player to wait for a clear shot and MAKE THE GOAL, or shoot into the pile and be at the ref’s discretion. And if you are at the ref’s discretion, then take the ruling and move on. It’s never one play that loses a game, and you know that well.

The Mitten Polo situation bothers me, because I’m not sure we made the right call. But I didn’t see it, and I did the absolute best I could with the input I was given from the Ref I put in charge and a couple other players I trust. That’s the best I can do, or be expected to do.

Until we have a professional (potentially paid, non-playing, impartial) referee class – that’s the way it will be.

Additionally, Zack from DC Bike Polo (who reffed the finals and reffed a lot of the games from mid-Sunday on, did a tremendous job. He earlier took over for me on some of the courts that had potentially problematic games and did an excellent job meeting with the teams before the start to discuss how we were going to penalize certain plays (especially obvious retaliation). It really calmed down the hard fought games moving into the finals.

I think he did a great job, and HE WAS ISSUING WARNINGS during play, EVEN IN THE FINALS, but you cannot hear them in the video. He did a great job.

EDIT: There are a few others I should credit for reffing. Coach did an awesome job despite having to deal with two of the hardest games to ref in the whole tournament. Jake Newborn, Chombo, Marco, Sean-RVA, Paul-NYC, Zack-NYC, Alias_DC, Kev-DC, Alex-DC, and others also did a great job filling in. Thanks to everyone who did their best.

YOU CANNOT HOLD THE GOAL AND PLAY THE BALL!!!! Just like you can't hold the fence and play the ball. And by what I saw, there should have been penalties in both these games. Players hacking, elbowing, t-boning, pushing others players from the back and reaching around the front of other players. This sport seems to be getting out of hand with some of these teams and SHOULD be talk about to them and to the community. Next thing you know we will be fighting players for spectators pleasure just like hockey. Where's the love of this game in that? There are good players, and there are good players that do stupid shit to win. And nick was just stating a fact, not calling you out. As for the refs, it's a hard job, but you must know the rules in this sport!

Fuck off

That's a good example. Here are the rules in effect for NAH play: http://www.nahardcourt.com/rules/

Show me where it says you can't play the ball while grabbing the fence or goal top with your hand.

People questioning non-calls pisses me off because these are the facts:

3/4 of the players at an event think they know the rules, but they've never actually read them.

Of the 1/4 who do know the rules, 1/2 are in the group that's playing, or still in the tournament on Sunday, and another 1/4 refuse to ref.

In that reality, would you rather have a ref keep time and keep score, or not play the game? Having experienced refs that are intimately familier with the rules at every court, all day, is not an option on the table right now, sorry.

I will only say this one more time!

You cannot play the ball if you grab the fence, top of a side board or the goal or even lean on the goal. If you don't know this then you are an idiot. It's a dab and should be called as a warning and or a penalty depending on how many times they do it. Just as well as you can't place your foot on top of a board and play the ball. It's common fucking sense!
Maybe you guys do it differently up there, but this is it. Have a great day :)

Fuck off

Mike Polo wrote:

You cannot play the ball if you grab the fence, top of a side board or the goal or even lean on the goal.

That bolded section is not in the NAH 2012 ruleset. You may think it's common sense, but it is not in the rules and (evidently) different clubs have different interpretations of common sense. Leaning on the boards is fine, and so is leaning on the goals.

This is obviously something that deserves some clarification in the next revision of the rules, but the games at ESPI 7 were reffed according to the most current NAH ruleset, and the refs did a good job of doing that.

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Yeah that NAH ruleset was a draft that's on the backburner.

There are definitely different interpretations of this in different places. In Toronto we don't give a shit about leaning on goals, it might look lame but it only improves the goaltending of goalies who otherwise aren't very good.

regarding the leaning on boards/grabbing on fence, my feeling is that we shouldn't have rules that are impossible to enforce, and this is a perfect example. if someone is wearing lacrosse or street hockey gloves, it's impossible to see if those fingers are going through chain link or just there to lean on.

for horizontal surfaces, if someone's elbow is on the boards while fighting for the ball, it's impossible to know if there's weight being put on it.

you're not going to win games by doing any of these things, and if the rules are the same for everyone, then who cares?

kev wrote:

regarding the leaning on boards/grabbing on fence, my feeling is that we shouldn't have rules that are impossible to enforce, and this is a perfect example.

you're not going to win games by doing any of these things, and if the rules are the same for everyone, then who cares?

Exactly!

Wow, really Kev? My thoughts: you lean on a goal or grab to play the ball or hold yourself up because you can't keep your balance. You should not be playing goalie. This gives them the advantage to block shots and play the ball without ever falling. Maybe we should ride around with fucking training wheels then!! So from now on we can hold ourselves up on the goal and block and play the ball per Kev!!! Thanks, awesome! Where is the skill of this sport going to?

Fuck off

I think kev's point about avoiding rules that are difficult to enforce or judge is still worth thinking about.

Personally, I think a good way to prevent these types of advantages could be by having good standards for the building of the courts themselves.

For example, with goals: If it is so crucial to prevent leaning against them, why not use the style goals that I've seen in European tourneys - goals without crossbars. No rule needed, no possible advantage.

Or with wall dabs: don't have short horizontal surfaces. Require boards of say 4ft minimum height, and just allow anything to touch them. Most occurrences of this happen with wall pileups anyway, which are boring.

It's just not possible at this stage for a ref to keep track of 24 appendages. Maybe it is just as hard to encourage good building standards, but at least there is no grey area with that solution to the problem

vince wrote:

I think kev's point about avoiding rules that are difficult to enforce or judge is still worth thinking about.

Personally, I think a good way to prevent these types of advantages could be by having good standards for the building of the courts themselves.

For example, with goals: If it is so crucial to prevent leaning against them, why not use the style goals that I've seen in European tourneys - goals without crossbars. No rule needed, no possible advantage.

Or with wall dabs: don't have short horizontal surfaces. Require boards of say 4ft minimum height, and just allow anything to touch them. Most occurrences of this happen with wall pileups anyway, which are boring.

It's just not possible at this stage for a ref to keep track of 24 appendages. Maybe it is just as hard to encourage good building standards, but at least there is no grey area with that solution to the problem

First off, I believe it was Kevin who wrote the rules, so it's funny hearing this from him. Secondly, building the perfect courts and goals cost money which most clubs can't afford. Maybe you can swing some our way Vince, eh?

Fuck off

I helped a bit with the unfinished rewrite, which still has a ton of work left and will be a later summer/fall project for NAH. I didn't write the current ruleset.

kev wrote:

I helped a bit with the unfinished rewrite, which still has a ton of work left and will be a later summer/fall project for NAH. I didn't write the current ruleset.

The current rule set does not apply at the moment, although the previous rule set does and which is what i am referring to.

Fuck off

In more than half of tourney I went anywhere in NAH and Europe, nobody give a shit about playing a hand on the fence. PLUS when this was a rule (you don't have the right to do it) i saw a lot of issue in reffin':
Not always wistle
Not always know as a rule for the ref
Not always clear if it was leaning or grabin'...

Less issues when there is no rule about it, because nothin' inconsistent in reffin ( and no bid deal as grabin' the fence trought a opponent to block him etc... common sense make that people don't block other like that).

About Leaning on nets, that's another story. As Vince say, material is the best way to handle it:
Lower nets ( i find the NAH standard way to high, and i don't know why this height)
No top bar.

Sure, I'll donate as soon as I break even...

While that's true, there is this line in the 2011 ruleset under the section "penalties"

Infractions that can result in a warning / tap-out:

foot-down / dab
leaning on goal
Throwing rear wheel or skidding into another player (1st offense)
Striking another player’s mallet (1st offense)
Hooking/holding/grabbing and otherwise restraining another player (1st offense)

Leaning on goal is identified as a punishable action if I'm reading that clearly, right?

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Correct. "Can result." We treated it as ref's discretion, because as kev explained, its a hard call, and a call that disrupts the flow of the game and in a lot of cases, the players' expectations. The approach resulted in it essentially not be called, except a very few warnings.

This needs to be changed to state that you can not touch the goal with your body, ever. I can't believe that people here don't believe that this degrades the game. That first video is a perfect example of the kind of thing that, if not enforced, will deter people from watching and playing polo.

No touching the goals. This needs to be put in and goal judges need to be briefed on it. I can't see how people resort to the argument that goalies who lean and touch the goal aren't good and won't win when the above video shows a top notch goalie who DID this, stopped a goal because of it,
nd won. Am I going crazy here do people seriously disagree with this notion? I might pull a Pete and quit.

Once again, this is not a comment on your tournament or your judges, this is a comment about the future.

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my thoughts exactly.

Keep your standards low, and morale high.

but how is leaning against the net different from leaning against the boards? I agree that grabbing onto the net, or resting on top of the net, could be considered a dab, but how are you going to enforce putting weight sideways on a surface? just no touching of anything?

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I'm with you. I do not think the goals deserve a distinction from any other vertical surface on the court.

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Leaning on the goal is one thing. Physically holding onto the top of the goal to steady yourself, stay up, and play the ball, which is all that happened in this case, is a completely different infraction. This has been common knowledge for the tournaments. It would be considered a horizontal surface at that point and righting yourself WHILST playing the ball is an infraction of a dab out at the least, in my opinion and my ambiguous interpretation of the rules.

The rules do need to be [and are in the process of becoming] better defined, and I'm sure this will not go unnoticed. The bottom line is that they did not make the call in this game. But that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be called in future games. And Nick Kruse isn't calling anyone out, he's pointing it out and asking about it with respect and legitimate concern. That is plain to see.

The interpretation of the rules is very different in different places, and by different players, at this stage in the defining process. That doesn't mean it will remain that way. Ultimately, and wishfully, there will be experienced and motivated reffing at tournaments, especially the qualification tournaments/majors. But, for now we are a volunteer based reffing squad. Thanks will always go out to the refs, court assistants, goal judges, etc that actually do step up and take the reigns, and no one should be or was pointing out one refs mistakes over another. This is a question about the action and whether or not it should be allowed, in the future.

Why can't the rules be defined differently for different areas of the court? Play in front of the net is obviously different than play against the boards and I don't think we have to hold to a black and white definition where all vertical surfaces must be handled the same.

When writing rules the primary motivators are preserving integrity, skill, and intent and discouraging plays that give an unfair advantage.

The net should not be touched. By anyone!

"You can't tell if they are leaning on it or not" is a stupid reason for making it legal to lean on the net. Make the rule that you can't fucking touch the thing and it solves all issues, allowing for incidental contact forced by other players.

Writing rules is not about letting people do what they want to do. It's about perserving the game. In our game, you must keep yourself balanced on your bicycle and mallet.

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What happens when people get checked into the net? should they be able to push off of it to stay up? Or just topple down onto it?

What happens when people get checked into the boards, should they be able to push off the top? Or only the vertical side? You really think we should (let alone can) enforce that difference?

An unfair advantage is not unfair if everyone has it. And i've never seen either of these moves help to win games. Maybe they helped a player who isn't that great stay up, but i'd rather that happen than a 3 on 2. I don't find 3 on 2s caused by tap outs very entertaining to watch or score against.

Why don't we give both teams a gun, and they can shoot the other team to get them to not play defense so they can score goals. Both teams will have a gun so it's fair and the game still stays as we intended. It's not an unfair advantage.

Look, everything is solvable. I really don't give much of a shit what happens along the boards. I don't care if people grab there. These are two different issues. Everyone here wants to talk about the boards like they are the same as the goal. Those are different places of the court, and IT IS OKAY if they have different rules.

What I care about is plays like in the above video and what they do to the game.

If we have a problem of people getting checked into goals, then give goalies specialty. Create a crease, and make it a no contact zone. I actually LIKE that idea.

This is an important area we are talking about. Players should have the responsibility of keeping themselves up while defending the net. It is very very lame to see a goalie lean and just play their mallet however they would like with no regard to the fact that they should still be on their bike. If goalies want to stay up, they need to learn how to hop. There are SKILLFUL ways to defend the net, and leaning against it isn't one of them.

Your whole last paragraph is completely contrary to the example in the video that sparked this conversation. Kremin leaned against the goal, and then grabbed it, and it helped them win that game.

And no, 3v2 is not exciting, but penalties are penalties and if you fall off your bike, you have to pay the price. I don't even know what point you are trying to make with your last sentence. By the logic you've presented, we should never make anyone dab for anything because its not entertaining for you to watch. Why don't we just start pro-wrestling instead, for the entertainment value?

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Sorry to mix in the boards thing, i realize you're trying to be a lot more specific than that.

I think you've helped me to clarify my perspective on this, as long as people are going around checking goalies and swiping their mallets away from the ball (the latter especially common), and as long as we can't realistically enforce the leaning thing, i'm probably going to argue on the side of allowing goalies to push off the net to stay back up. Not grabbing it, but using it like the boards.

Thanks for starting that other thread, that's ace.

Thats cool. You know I respect your opinion a ton Kev.

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Touching and grabbing are two entirely different things, and deserve their own discussions.

I disagree with the notion that we should ban touching the goal with any part of your body - including, say, a hip or elbow, in such a way that may look like a lean. I phrase my answer this way because it is obviously not reasonable to try and distinguish between a touch ("Ok, the goal is right here, that means my back door is probably shut") and a lean ("Aw shit I'm falling over").

I agree that grabbing the goal should not be permitted, and the grab from Finals game #1 was an example of something that should be barred in the rulebook.

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Secondary Alex wrote:

Touching and grabbing are two entirely different things, and deserve their own discussions.

I disagree with the notion that we should ban touching the goal with any part of your body - including, say, a hip or elbow, in such a way that may look like a lean. I phrase my answer this way because it is obviously not reasonable to try and distinguish between a touch ("Ok, the goal is right here, that means my back door is probably shut") and a lean ("Aw shit I'm falling over").

I agree that grabbing the goal should not be permitted, and the grab from Finals game #1 was an example of something that should be barred in the rulebook.

I agree with this and was mainly what was being pointed out. It's not that you can't touch them, but grabbing or using it to balance yourself is not permitted in my opinion and has not been since I've started playing. But not every goal is mounted in the ground like hockey nets. So usually they will move and BAM, you are going down.

Fuck off

I find that touching as small leaning the whole game the nets with the hip is more cheating than just grabing them for a second (i understand this grabing as a push when you get check for example). Grabing them to pul when you fall off from other side is another story and maybe more rare.

By the way, as i always gonna state in this debate, make nets lowers, or without top bar= no more trouble. I don't see why NAH nets are so high.

On a related point: I think bike polo should not be trying too hard to use unique goal sizes. We'd be better to use hockey goals with higher top bars, IMO. We shouldn't be modifying or building goals, when when there are perfectly good goals available for purchase. If clubs want to save money and make their own, great.

Just my 2 cents.

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Crusher wrote:

While that's true, there is this line in the 2011 ruleset under the section "penalties"

Infractions that can result in a warning / tap-out:

foot-down / dab
leaning on goal
Throwing rear wheel or skidding into another player (1st offense)
Striking another player’s mallet (1st offense)
Hooking/holding/grabbing and otherwise restraining another player (1st offense)

Leaning on goal is identified as a punishable action if I'm reading that clearly, right?

If I'm not mistaken, all these penalties took place in both games numerous times!

Fuck off

Once I post up my footage, it will have audio from Zack since I was standing next to him. Zack did a good job, and with courts this large, it's also more difficult to see everything.

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eric_dc wrote:

A lot of those people later REFUSED, or DIDN’T SHOW UP to ref.

I didn't even sign up...I was just handed a whistle and stopwatch on court D after I had finished playing on Saturday and had a couple of beers. Why does that always happen? You give me a couple of beers, and all the sudden a whistle is in my hands.

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Have to do what you have to do to keep the games rolling, ha.

Amen brother, amen

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I don't think that this should be legal at all, at ladies army when I ref'd I'd call out goal tenders for leaning on the net and they looked at me like I was crazy sometimes. That is definitely a dab,

I don't think the rules state anywhere that leaning against the goal is not allowed, and you are definitely overstating your position by saying it is "definitely a dab". The goal should be treated as any other horizontal / vertical surface on the court. If you lean on the boards, no one thinks that should be a dab. If you use a horizontal surface to stay up - like the top of the goal, or the top of short boards - that's a dab.

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21:53 was a goal. Not an exciting one but still off the tip and then it touched the tip of kremin's mallet going in. I wasn't the goal judge, but I was right there.

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1. Grabbing the goal was basically a tap-out at ref's discretion. There was another instance of grabbing the goal top at the tournament and we dealt with it best as we could. it's sport -- the ref can't see everything all the time, and essentially the ref's call or non-call stood.

2. Both the final games--in person--were tight, tense, fast-paced, excellent polo. You might disagree with the moving pick (I don't), but the reason it's putting you to sleep is one-camera, static filming. Ever seen a one-camera high school Football or Soccer film? Boring as shit. Seen a three-camera film of the same type of game, it's exciting. That's just where we are with the sport. I think if the guys pull off three camera, two commentator video of NAs, a very similar game to the two finals will be super exciting.

3. Yeah, there's a ton of good stuff there.

4. I don't know. Leaning on the goal is kind of unenforceable. Grabbing the goal could be outlawed outright, but it would have to become as ingrained as footdown to really work as a tap-out, because the ref just can't see everything.

Oh, and on the goals -- none were controversial. We had goal judges on the top of the fences at each side, about 16' above the action, with a view through the top-shelfs of the goals. I have no doubt that all the goals were good goals.

Crusher: I wasn't smiling the whole weekend!?!?

Seriously: thanks to everyone involved who lent DC Bike Polo a hand this weekend. We built and struck those courts amazingly fast. The whole DC club deserves the recognition, it’s a tremendous effort to make a tournament this size move smoothly and everyone stepped up to the tasks.

Also huge thanks to everyone that participated for being where you needed to be, when you needed to be there – It wouldn’t have been possible if we’d needed to wrangle the teams. I wasn’t sure we’d really be able to get through 6 Saturday rounds for every team, but we got it done with an hour to spare. Huge thanks to Vince included in there because it’s just not possible without podium. There were a few little mix ups, but Podium allowed everyone to know where to be three games in advance for almost the entire weekend. The software is indispensible.

Finally, for anyone who didn’t already know, there were five pre-qualified teams in the top eight, so all players on the Top Twelve teams are now qualified for Milwaukee. Congratulations!

Finally, one last lost & found: Grey Bern Helmet, SF Bike Polo Sicker, COG-Nation Sticker.

See you all again real soon, it was a blast. Someone post the top-12 for me, ha!

Top 12, congrats!

1 The Means
2 Beaver Boys
3 Party.Boobs.Beer.Weed.
4 Teen Pink Slime
5 Ice Cream Bukkake!
5 The Fur Trappers
7 Mayoral Misconduct
7 jorts
9 Mitten Polo
9 Where's the slip'n'slide?
9 Windsurfing to Pussy Island
9 Captain Hook Dick

I also have a Nikon lens cap that somebody left at the scoring table.

I think you have my lens cap!

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the helmet belongs to Colin from Lexington; mistakenly given to robo cop

DC polo did a stellar job getting everybody to and from DC, welcoming us Midwestern folk and showing us a great time. Stellar tournament.

Eric, can't thank you and your folks enough. What an incredible chunk of land they have. Thanks for the hospitality. You clearly worked your ass off to pull this together and it showed.

Unbelievable games throughout the weekend from the Fur Trappers' comebacks to some fun pickup games with new players to Tex's hat trick. The final games were some of the best polo anybody could ask for.

Too many other highlights to mention. Thanks again Eric and DC polo.

Huge thanks to Eric and all the D.C. club that made this possible, one of the best run polo events I've been too.

I have a helmet that we (ann arbor) found leaving the courts, it is a black Nike Batting helmet with a cut down face cage on it, if you lost it then post here or email me so we can figure out how to get it back to its owner. It has a Fixcraft and Milk sticker on the front of the helmet and the brim has been melted and pushed up. Let me know if this helmet is yours or you know who it belongs to. I can bring it to MKE if that is easier.

Keep your standards low, and morale high.

Ha its Miguels from my team Mucho Take It Easy, bring it to MKE please! thank you

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See you in Milwaukee.

Keep your standards low, and morale high.

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That's how it's done...!

Where's Waldo - Roller kid edition.

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The Murphy's are sad we missed this!
Congrats to everyone and way to put on what looks like a great tournament DC!!!

my crappy photos... link to full set at the bottom of the page.

thanks again to eric ransom and all of DC!!

also to his parents for opening up their awesome property to us!

oh hey that hand is gross.

i was stoked to see an action shot of Kremin with the pint glasses.

Hey Everyone,

We just wanted to say a HUGE thanks to everyone for making this a great tournament last weekend, ESPECIALLY the DC crew. It was worth every minute of the 18 hour drive. We really appreciate all the St. Cago love we received. Hope to see you all at NAHBPC!!

who's hosting ESPI 8 ?

too soon? :)

24 teams, 2 courts, no prizes. Done.

Eric said he wanted to do it every year, if that is ok with everyone else

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definitely agree. those main courts were phenomenal

Not Funny.

RVA, Pittsburgh, Lancaster. Or Boston joins the x2 club.

eric_dc wrote:

Not Funny.

...maybe a little funny.

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Since we're stirring the pot, Eastside hasn't hosted a North American or World Championships since Philly '09, right?

Is 2013 the year we change that?

john from dc wrote:

Since we're stirring the pot, Eastside hasn't hosted a North American or World Championships since Philly '09, right?

Fort Lauderdale has four roller hockey rinks bike-able from one major airport and not far from two other major airports. If getting permits or whatever isn't a big deal, I'd say do NA's there as long as the FTL club was on board.

I can make it happen, if thats what the league wants to do.

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not any time soon. maybe 2014.

i heard lancaster wanted to put in a bid?
or I'd be down to do a group effort organizing in frederick again..

i honestly like the 24 team idea. would open up a lot more options for locations (hockeytown)...

boston is also looking at a big space to permit out from the city, but it would be all temporary plywood courts..

The city actually got quite a lot of compliants about the car stereos/boombox/drinking/pissing in the trees. I don't even want to think about doing Frederick again right now. No thanks for putting it out there Alex.

What are the hours at HockeyTown? Wouldn't it be possible to do a two-court 32 team tournament there?

LANCASTER.

the problem with that many teams at HT is there is no place to fit everyone not on the court. The facilities are pretty tight and having a hundred people hanging out in the lobby sounds awful.

Richmond already offers a qualifier on the eastside. We offer it every year and it's bird bird bird themed.

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DC Polo,

Thank you for an awesome weekend. Smooth and swift running schedule both days. Courts that let the ball move like its a puck on ice and grip your tires in the corners like sandpaper. The two most important things to me in a tournament knocked out of the park.

Wherever ESPI goes, the bar has been set high.

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Nick RVA wrote:

Courts that let the ball move like its a puck on ice and grip your tires in the corners like sandpaper.

Love those courts...

Team Pink Slime vs The Means....

http://youtu.be/cVE0J_rVEF8

For those who are interested:

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Thank you for this. Invaluable.

i like this attitude, Lomax!!!!!!

My recent observations about Pittsburgh Bike Polo:
You brought a deep crew to MenacESPI in NYC.
You seem to be capable both physically and mentally.
You must enjoy living and playing bike polo in Pittsburgh, if you haven't moved yet.

In conclusion, you just might be ready to host this tournament. Say you will!

Prizes for the winners still coming in!

THANK YOU Bagjack and Outlier!

Screw you USPS and U.S. Customs!

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